From miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr Mon Nov 13 11:28:44 2017 Return-Path: Received: from lin22.mojsite.com (178.218.165.68:993) by gdOv with IMAP4-SSL; 13 Nov 2017 11:28:44 -0000 Delivered-To: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr Received: from lin22.mojsite.com by lin22.mojsite.com with LMTP id mEi6LR2BCVrVQAAAYwPaHQ for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:25:17 +0100 Envelope-to: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:25:17 +0100 Received: from 93-136-13-15.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([93.136.13.15]:44766 helo=gdOv.localdomain) by lin22.mojsite.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eECrZ-00050A-JE; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 12:25:13 +0100 Received: by gdOv.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6143AC19D4; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:20:50 +0000 From: Miroslav Rovis To: "T-com tehnicka.podrska" , prigovori@t.ht.hr Subject: Re: MaxTV "novi TV prijamnik" "na adresu" [T2017093002K3Z11858508] Message-ID: <20171113112050.yd3yzc7nzvmo64ya@gdOv> In-Reply-To: <22629326.6494.1507012051755.JavaMail.SAICUS4$@SAICUS4> References: <20170930142517.rnyjwmwh6pjwt2m7@gdOv> References: <31180687.4394.1509625109362.JavaMail.SAICUS1$@SAICUS1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a6ossezwteo5rtsu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171031122152.sygze7hiawtjsjgp@gdOv> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1eECrZ-00050A-JE X-PlusHosting-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-5.998, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -5.00, TVD_RCVD_IP 0.00, URIBL_BLOCKED 0.00) X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-From: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr X-Spam-Status: No X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: =?utf-8?q?INBOX?= X-getmail-filter-classifier: fd[10]: OK --a6ossezwteo5rtsu Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="zoiuxwa5feito6r3" Content-Disposition: inline --zoiuxwa5feito6r3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C5=A0tovani! Odgovaram izme=C4=91u va=C5=A1ih redaka. Za prigovori@t.ht.hr potvr=C4=91uj= em ranije poslani prigovor, ali i ponavljam zahtjev na koji mi nije bilo odgovoreno, u vezi s mojim pokretnim brzoglasom ("mobitelom") sasvim na dnu. Jedan od va=C5=A1a dva odgovora (rekonstruiram "In-Reply-To"): "In-Reply-To: <22629326.6494.1507012051755.JavaMail.SAICUS4$@SAICUS4>" On 171003-08:27+0200, tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr wrote: >=20 >=20 > Po=C5=A1tovani, >=20 > na=C5=BEalost ovim putem nismo u mogu=C4=87nosti preuzeti privitak i na t= emelju istoga > Vam pru=C5=BEiti dodatne informacije jer isti nije dostavljen u .pdf form= atu. Drugim rje=C4=8Dima, sramoti T-com onaj koji je ovo napisao, implicite tvrd= e=C4=87i da T-com ne zna prepoznati PGP-podpis time =C5=A1to tra=C5=BEi da ja prestanem= PGP-podpisivati svoje poruke. Sramoti i moju Hrvatsku time... Za=C5=A1to?... Je li ima uob=C4=87e normalnih u T-com-u koji takve jadnike = mogu upozoriti i navesti da prestanu s glupim zahtjevima. Naime to je poslano s adrese Tehni=C4=8Dke podr=C5=BEke... Tehni=C4=8Dke podr=C5=BEke!?! Ne =C4=87u prestat podpisivati svoje poruke mojim PGP-podpisom. Jer mogu do= kazati njihov integritet ("integrity") kad god ho=C4=87u kasnije, pa su time dosta za=C5=A1ti=C4=87ene, kao i jer ja stojim iza svojih rie=C4=8Di ("non-repudi= ation"). > Shodno tome, ljubazno Vas molimo da nam u privitku dostavite dokument u > ispravnom odnosno .pdf formatu te da nam dostavite Va=C5=A1 OIB ako ste V= i vlasnik O n-tom zahjevu za moj OIB ni=C5=BEe izpod. > priklju=C4=8Dka odnosno ime i prezime vlasnika te poziv na broj s ra=C4= =8Duna ako Vi > niste vlasnik. Uz navedeno nam dostavite i kontakt broj kako bismo mogli > pokrenuti dostavu novog prijemnika ako isti ve=C4=87 nije dostavljen, a v= i=C5=A1e > informacija o novoj generaciji MAXtv-a mo=C5=BEete prona=C4=87i na > http://bit.ly/2xPjTAi ( http://bit.ly/2xPjTAi ). A to je: 52 http://bit.ly/2xPjTAi 81 https://www.hrvatskitelekom.hr/televizija/maxtv?gclid=3DCOXN3J7p09YCFao= W0wodFn8HxA ( vidi dalje u tekstu =C5=A1to su brojevi izpred http url-ova ) i ne govori mi dostatno. Jedva se vidi da je to (vjerovatno) isti ure=C4=91= aj kao u PDF-u (dobivenog u drugoj e-poruci dolje zaliepljenoj, radi podpunosti) nas= lova "Upute za spajanje TV usluge" i imena datoteke upute_NextTV.pdf ( ovog puta izpravnom PDF-u; vidi: https://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161121-t-cogne-pdf/ kakve ina=C4=8De, a posebno u kriti=C4=8Dnim trenutcima, meni T-com =C5=A1a= lje... ). A stranice su pune mu=C4=8Dnog Javascripta, s tim da se sve svodi na ponudu= "nazovi" nazna=C4=8Denu slikom... Da ne govorimo da je ta jedna stranica te=C5=BEka = 200-njak MB u=C4=8Ditavanja, nema opcije da, koga ne zanima, kao mene, ne mora u=C4=8Di= tavati va=C5=A1 slikopis ("video") s te stranice, ako istom, kao meni, taj slikopis predsta= vlja jedino gnjava=C5=BEu. I to, taj no-opt-out slikopis, je =C4=8Dini toliko te=C5=BEkom, a sve to uz= zlostavljanje Schmoogle-Googlom i =C4=8Dime ve=C4=87. Ovo je bila po=C4=8Detna/povr=C5=A1= na nepouzdana analiza... Ah, ne, nisam odve=C4=87 u pravu. Schmoogle-a ima malo, tek: 10717 https://www.googletagmanager.com/gtm.js?id=3DGTM-7B4F Puno ima s neke "liveperson.net" (=C5=A1to se krije iza te domene?), poput = (tek zadnji http-request s mog ra=C4=8Dunala ovdje navodim): 21254 https://lo.v.liveperson.net/api/js/26004190?sid=3DIbxNCfOMQtKpbpFtK= Ax86w&cb=3DlpCb58607x82117&t=3Dip&ts=3D1510550994190&pid=3D469985811&tid=3D= 6230410512&vid=3DMzNzFjOTI3OGQ0NDgxMzM1 Gornje su doslovni fragmenti iz analize mojim: https://github.com/miroR/tshark-hosts-conv (primitivnim) programom. 10717 i 21254 (te ranije 52 i 81) su packet-i trace-a koji sam snimio prilikom posjeta. Gornje je relevantno za ovu razpravu samo ukoliko bi se netko, poput osobe djelatnika T-com-a za koju uporno i ponavljano tra=C5=BEim da se prestane b= aviti bilo kojim mojim predmetima, po=C5=BEelio tvrditi da sam pregledavao krivu = stranicu. Ukoliko se netko takav na takvo =C5=A1to ne osmjeli, gornje ostavljam s nam= jenom tek obi=C4=8Dne digresije. Sliede=C4=87e je bitno. U T-com-ovoj slikovnoj ponudi izri=C4=8Dito pi=C5=A1e: ############################# =C5=BDelite novi MaxTV ure=C4=91aj? ############################# Ne pi=C5=A1e nigdje ni=C5=A1ta u smislu: Prjelazimo na novi signal. Obavje= =C5=A1tavamo na=C5=A1e koristnike da do (primjerice) 1. prosinca 2017. moraju preuzeti novi ure=C4= =91aj. Nego se koristnicima nudi mogu=C4=87nost: =C5=BDelite novi MaxTV ure=C4=91a= j? Pa zaklju=C4=8Dujem da nikako iz slu=C5=BEbenih stranica ne proizlazi da se= _mora_ prie=C4=87i na novi ure=C4=91aj. U tom smislu ja se jednostavno ne bih =C5=BEurio s prjelazkom, a ako postoj= i doista kakav razlog da bih ja morao prie=C4=87i na preuzimanje i uporabu novog ure= =C4=91aja, ja bih doista molio od T-com-a puno, puno vi=C5=A1e nego =C5=A1tura polovna ob= ja=C5=A1njenja i nametanja... I to ovako, e-po=C5=A1tom. Naime, koliko dobro bi radio novi ure=C4=91aj na mojoj staroj (samo SCART priklju=C4=8Dak) tehnologiji? Novi ni nema SCART, nego TRRS na SCART adapte= r-kabel. =C5=A0to ja ne bih u miru, jo=C5=A1 koji mjesec, razmislio o prjelazku, na= =C5=A1ao malo vrjemena i razpitao sa kako radi taj TRRS na SCART, recimo na pcekspert.com Forumima, prvo? > ---------------------------- > From: Miroslav Rovis > Sent: 30.9.2017. 16:27 > To: tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr > Subject: MaxTV "novi TV prijamnik" "na adresu" > Dragi T-com, >=20 > obaviest mi je prikazana putem set-top box-a 23. rujna, prije tjedan dana, >=20 > O =C4=8Demu se to=C4=8Dno radi? Mo=C5=BEete li mi u odgovoru poslati adre= su/adrese stranica na > kojima se mo=C5=BEe pregledati, slike, te nekakve specifikacije, tog novog > prijamnika? >=20 > Unapried hvala! > -- > Miroslav Rovis [...] ###########################################################################= ### Drugi od va=C5=A1a dva odgovora (rekonstruiram "In-Reply-To"): "In-Reply-To: <31180687.4394.1509625109362.JavaMail.SAICUS1$@SAICUS1>" On 171102-13:18+0100, info@t.ht.hr wrote: >=20 > Po=C5=A1tovani, >=20 > informacije o novom STB prijamniku mo=C5=BEete prona=C4=87i u dokumentu u= prilogu ove > e-mail poruke. >=20 > Ljubazno Vas molimo da nam dostavite Va=C5=A1 OIB ako ste vlasnik usluge,= odnosno > poziv na broj odobrenja ako niste vlasnik usluge kako bi pokrenuli zahtje= v za > zamjenu prijamnika. Na: http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/ ima jako puno e-poruka sa zahtjevima, izri=C4=8Dito ili pod pseudonimom, od= dolje navedene osobe i/ili i drugih, te ste nakon tih zahtjeva moj OIB dobili puno puta dosad. Pa vam ga ne =C4=87u vi=C5=A1e slati. Ali mogu potra=C5=BEiti i dostaviti vam lokacije bar nekih e-poruka prenese= nih na web na kojima je nalaziv sa istih http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/ ako ho=C4=87ete, zapravo ukoliko bri=C5=A1ete, mo=C5=BEda mjese=C4=8Dno, ko= respondenciju sa svojim korisnicima pa iste moje poruke vi=C5=A1e nemate... Naime, do i onda od valjda negdje 2015. (kad ste mi na osnovu marsijanskog spammiranja koje nikad jo=C5=A1 niste, a sigurno ste du=C5=BEni po zakonu, = dokazali oduzeli na nekoliko mjeseci kori=C5=A1tenje iste te moje e-adrese), naime s= va ta korespondencija je izme=C4=91u T-com-a i mene s ove moje e-adrese s kojom v= am i ovu e-poruku =C5=A1aljem... Ali mo=C5=BEda tim nekim jadnima smeta Croatia Fide= lis... ne znam... Zar doista vi, kao provider, mo=C5=BEda bri=C5=A1ete stare, zapravo gotovo = nedavne, e-poruke svojih koristnika? Koliko =C4=8Desto bri=C5=A1ete poruke svojih ko= ristnika? Jednom mjese=C4=8Dno mo=C5=BEda? =20 > Do Va=C5=A1eg odgovora srda=C4=8Dno Vas pozdravljamo. >=20 > S po=C5=A1tovanjem, >=20 > HRVATSKI TELEKOM d.d. >=20 > Ivan > Agent za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku > Odjel e-poslovanja [...] >=20 > ---------------------------- > From: Miroslav Rovis > Sent: 31.10.2017 13:26 > To: tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr > Cc: prigovori@t.ht.hr > Subject: Re: MaxTV "novi TV prijamnik" "na adresu" > Za tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr: > On 170930-14:25+0000, Miroslav Rovis wrote: On 171031-12:21+0000, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > Za tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr: > On 170930-14:25+0000, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > Dragi T-com, > >=20 > > obaviest mi je prikazana putem set-top box-a 23. rujna, prije tjedan da= na, > >=20 > > O =C4=8Demu se to=C4=8Dno radi? Mo=C5=BEete li mi u odgovoru poslati ad= resu/adrese stranica na > > kojima se mo=C5=BEe pregledati, slike, te nekakve specifikacije, tog no= vog > > prijamnika? >=20 > Je li mogu=C4=87e dobiti poveznice s HT-lokacije te preostali odgovor na = gornje > pitanje? >=20 > Uz to i: rokovi prielazka na novu opremu? Potvr=C4=91ujem i dana=C5=A1njim slanjem ovaj zahtjev ... : > ----- > za prigovori@t.ht.hr >=20 > Vi=C5=A1e puta sam, pa i pismeno zahtjevao da se va=C5=A1 djelatnik Damir= Juhas prestane > baviti bilo kojim mojim predmetom. Prema neodgovaranju, primjerice u vezi= s > mojim upitom o prenaplati na ra=C4=8Dunu mog Simpa mobitela, kao i neodgo= varanju u > gornjem predmetu, sumnjam da je isti i dalje na djelu, premda pod nekakvim > pseudonimima. Stil mu je prepoznatljiv. >=20 > Mo=C5=BEe li, molim vas, od sada bar, HT komunicirati sa mnom na normalan= na=C4=8Din? A > da se taj va=C5=A1 djelatnik prestane baviti mojim predmetima? >=20 > Uz to, htjeli ste mi dostaviti taj "novi prijamnik", bez ikakvog dogovora= sa mnom. >=20 > Jo=C5=A1 jednom, je li doista toliko te=C5=BEko, evo jo=C5=A1 jednom, val= jda razumiete Hrvatski: >=20 > ################ > O =C4=8Demu se to=C4=8Dno radi? Mo=C5=BEete li mi u odgovoru poslati adre= su/adrese stranica na=20 > kojima se mo=C5=BEe pregledati, slike, te nekakve specifikacije, tog novog > prijamnika? > ################ >=20 > I jedan detalj: SMS mi je efektivno neuporabljiv. Nemojte mi slati SMS-po= ruke s > bilo kakvim obaviestima. Jedva mogu vidjeti od koga je, ali tekst same po= ruke > ne mogu pregledati. >=20 > Puno hvala!=20 >=20 =2E.. Gornje potvr=C4=91ujem, a (tako=C4=91er za prigovori@t.ht.hr) jo=C5= =A1 jednom =C5=A1aljem, u gzip-iranom privitku, e-poruku u kojoj tra=C5=BEim obja=C5=A1njenje za pren= aplatu na mojem pokretnom brzoglasu ("mobitelu") koja mi se toliko smu=C4=8Dila da od= tad sa svojeg ra=C4=8Duna ni jednog poziva vi=C5=A1e uputio nikome nisam. Molim ot= voriti i pregledati privitak: MiroslavRovis_mob_preplata_HAKOM_prigovori_2017-05-16.eml.gz Jo=C5=A1 uviek o=C4=8Dekujem odgovor od vas, ovdje je =C5=A1teta prvenstven= o moralna (tzv. "du=C5=A1evne boli"): dodijavanje, zlostavljanje. 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