As can be seen from my topic on Debian Forums, in section System
configuration (holding there, not Offtopic'd):
How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=116770
I have been studying issues around the debian-devel thread that I took
the title of for that topic, and in which thread you developers wrote:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/threads.html#00010
I had previously written:
Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=116472#p548548
which was Offtopic'd.
I also maintain a somewhat successful Tip:
Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=108616
among other attempts of mine at contributing to GNU/Linux.
I am writing to you mostly for reasons of my need, and, IMO, once the
users learn the truth, many users' need too, to live systemd-free (the
truth, alas, is buried under... [you name it]).
Yes, if I don't get to somehow free my Debian from systemd, I most
likely will be opting for some non-systemd GNU/Linux.
IIUC, the systemd is now the sole option, no other left in Debian,
right? I'm on Jessie, not going back, and so not talking of vanishing
into the past Wheezy as option, sole option for Jessie, right?
If so, pls. is it possible to bring back the issue of Debian users
needing an option to live without systemd, i.e. having a systemd-free
Debian as viable option for their machines?
As far as the introduction of a conflicting package that can solve the
need to become systemd-free, is that still a viable option, could anyone
of you developers provide some help to us users how to do it on the
Debian Forums, the secrion System configuration, the topic same as
Juliusz's topic on debian-devel, link above; or by other means?
Or is it the pinning the way to go, assistance needed just the same,
the same place, if possible; or by other means?
And also, isn't that shameful hopocrisy on the part of, IIUC (correct
me it I'm wrong),
Joerg Jaspert who is saying in:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00070.html
On 13624 March 1977, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>> You get a choice of 'prevent-systemd' which stops it running as init
>> but allows the -shim and libpam packages so that logind and the like
>> will work. Or 'systemd-must-die' which conflicts with everything
>> systemdish.
> Please rename the systemd-must-die package to something neutral. Thank
> you.
A package with this name wont ever appear in the archive, and I just
rejected it.
So, do I understand correctly that because of their names, the
packages:
prevent-systemd
and
systemd-must-die
the Wookey's packages, were not admitted into the official
repositories, reason cited, not admitting them just because of, what?,
containing "prevent" and "must-die" in their names.
That a justifiable reason? In this day and age when we have "daemons"
of all sorts all around in GNU/Linux internals and while we "kill"
things all over in our scripts and on the command line?
Joerg, you must be either joking of being very arrogant.
Pls., bring back the freedom into Debian! This is hipocrisy and
imposition, this is treason of the core values of Debian!
Wokey, pls., if it can't go with that name, let go, rename it to, don't
know somesuch as get-my-box-systemd-free (I'm just saying it off the tip
of my tongue...), rename it to anything that will free us users who can
not develop like you, from systemd. Please, for the sake of other users,
not just me!
I'm not qualified enough to write to the debian-devel list, anyone feel
free to use my message if you wish, parts of it or in its entirety.
If you reply and, best, if you reply to all, you're appreciated!
Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia
www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
A sidenote: I read most of the thread, but that's too complex DD lingo
for me to follow:
Reintroducing FFmpeg to Debian
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/thrd3.html#01010
but I don't get it, will FFmpeg be back or not? I very much wish for
it. I'm on Testing branch, install from jigdo DVDs, amd64, haven't
noticed any true ffmpeg packages, my last update was July 21.
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